{"id":111,"date":"2016-10-10T00:43:06","date_gmt":"2016-10-10T00:43:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.genealogyatheart.com\/?p=111"},"modified":"2016-10-10T00:43:06","modified_gmt":"2016-10-10T00:43:06","slug":"familysearch-org-needed-changes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.genealogyatheart.com\/?p=111","title":{"rendered":"Familysearch.org Needed Changes"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Originally published on genealogyatheart.blogspot.com on<\/p>\n<p>In previous blogs I\u2019ve mentioned my concerns about data loss and record inaccessibility (see Ancestry Site Changes \u2013 The Good, The Bad, The Ugly 6 Jun 2015 &amp; Poof Be Gone-How Quickly Records Can Disappear 3 Jun 2015). \u00a0A wonderful option to preserve your research would be to include it at Familysearch.org&#8217;s Wiki Tree. \u00a0Unfortunately the site is not user friendly if you are not an LDS members. \u00a0Let me demonstrate-<\/p>\n<p>To access the Wiki, first sign into the site.\u00a0 If you don\u2019t have a sign-on, you may create one even if you aren\u2019t an LDS member, however, you won\u2019t be able to link between Ancestry.com and Familysearch.org to sink data.<\/p>\n<p>I have an extremely large well sourced tree that I would love to have on the Familysearch site.\u00a0 I&#8217;m going to outline the steps below of what I would have to do to build my husband&#8217;s paternal line on the Wiki. \u00a0Below, on the right hand side, you can see that there are no parents identified on my Wiki Tree for William Lewis Samuelson.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-59L8HoNo0mU\/VXNO4Y4Kg1I\/AAAAAAAAAFw\/ogPUv3kdFI0\/s1600\/Dad.PNG\" data-blogger-escaped-style=\"margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-59L8HoNo0mU\/VXNO4Y4Kg1I\/AAAAAAAAAFw\/ogPUv3kdFI0\/s640\/Dad.PNG\" width=\"640\" height=\"200\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>There may be other Wiki Tree users who do have William&#8217;s parents. \u00a0To discover if there is, one must click on the\u00a0+Add Husband (or\u00a0+ Add Wife). \u00a0Then, type in what you know. \u00a0I typed in Gustaf Theodore Samuelson 29 Apr 1870 Baileytown, Portage, Indiana as the birth info and 9 Oct 1947 San Bernardino, San Bernardino, California as the death info. \u00a0After clicking &#8220;Add,&#8221; 25 parent choices are presented. \u00a0You may select 1 provided or by scrolling to the bottom, include a new couple.<\/p>\n<style>p, pre {margin: 0;}\ninput.blogger-ie-hack {position: absolute; left: -9999px;}hr.more {border-width:1px 0 0 0; border-style:dashed; border-color: #666; height: 8px; background:#ddd}table.tr-caption-container {padding: 6px; margin-bottom: .5em} td.tr-caption {font-size: 80%; padding-top: 4px} img {cursor: move}body {margin: 8px 16px;}<\/style>\n<p> <script src=\"https:\/\/apis.google.com\/_\/scs\/apps-static\/_\/js\/k=oz.gapi.en.5NEet3tEh9I.O\/m=autocomplete\/rt=j\/sv=1\/d=1\/ed=1\/am=AQ\/rs=AGLTcCNX6iRsMx1uxqC_54WBrB5mDnWCYQ\/cb=gapi.loaded_0\" async=\"\"><\/script> <script src=\"https:\/\/apis.google.com\/js\/wmtn.js?onload=ac_loaded\" gapi_processed=\"true\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p class=\"separator\" data-blogger-escaped-style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-cJ50nWQhvNg\/VXNQAY6SNPI\/AAAAAAAAAF4\/fhZ6BTaMHno\/s1600\/Grandpa.PNG\" data-blogger-escaped-style=\"margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-cJ50nWQhvNg\/VXNQAY6SNPI\/AAAAAAAAAF4\/fhZ6BTaMHno\/s320\/Grandpa.PNG\" width=\"295\" height=\"320\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"separator\" data-blogger-escaped-style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\">In this case, I would &#8220;Add Couple&#8221; 1 &#8211; Gustav and Lulu Mae Cook. \u00a0Once added, the Wiki Tree changes to the following:<\/p>\n<p class=\"separator\" data-blogger-escaped-style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-HO-Vn55h2g4\/VXNQxY7jQQI\/AAAAAAAAAGA\/QIJxlmnRVSc\/s1600\/3.PNG\" data-blogger-escaped-style=\"margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-HO-Vn55h2g4\/VXNQxY7jQQI\/AAAAAAAAAGA\/QIJxlmnRVSc\/s640\/3.PNG\" width=\"640\" height=\"324\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"separator\" data-blogger-escaped-style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\">That wasn&#8217;t very time consuming but here&#8217;s where my problems begin. \u00a0I have 19 facts for Gustav Samuelson on my Ancestry tree:<\/p>\n<p class=\"separator\" data-blogger-escaped-style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/-SPI9ZCvlYdk\/VXNR2w_WA_I\/AAAAAAAAAGI\/q5ivKtq0bZQ\/s1600\/Ancestry%2BCitations.PNG\" data-blogger-escaped-style=\"margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/-SPI9ZCvlYdk\/VXNR2w_WA_I\/AAAAAAAAAGI\/q5ivKtq0bZQ\/s640\/Ancestry%2BCitations.PNG\" width=\"366\" height=\"640\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"separator\" data-blogger-escaped-style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\">Familysearch has 4 citations:<\/p>\n<p class=\"separator\" data-blogger-escaped-style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-3TafAi4hkIg\/VXNSS_tk7pI\/AAAAAAAAAGQ\/zpSZ2PP4yiU\/s1600\/Gustav%2BFamily%2BSearch%2BSources.PNG\" data-blogger-escaped-style=\"margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-3TafAi4hkIg\/VXNSS_tk7pI\/AAAAAAAAAGQ\/zpSZ2PP4yiU\/s640\/Gustav%2BFamily%2BSearch%2BSources.PNG\" width=\"640\" height=\"508\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"separator\" data-blogger-escaped-style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\">Really, Familysearch only has 1 source &#8211; the Legacy user that imported the information cited for 4 events but did the user did not include where he\/she found the evidence. \u00a0Truly, I&#8217;m not impressed with Familysearch&#8217;s sources for Gustaf. \u00a0This is no improvement over the earlier trees that the site displayed. \u00a0I equate this practice with only citing an Ancestry Family Tree that was unsourced to begin with. The citation is meaningless.<\/p>\n<p>I could add the sources I found plus the 18 photos and the several additional records that I&#8217;ve scanned and uploaded to my Ancestry tree to the Familysearch Wiki but that takes quite a bit of time. I feel like I&#8217;m duplicating what I&#8217;ve already accomplished by re-entering the citations from Ancestry to Familysearch. \u00a0Instead, I would prefer to spend my time further building my tree.<\/p>\n<p>Perhaps, if down Gustaf&#8217;s line, Familysearch&#8217;s sources improved AND the tree was filled in I would enter my citations for Gustaf but let&#8217;s compare Gustaf&#8217;s parents in the Wiki to what I have in Ancestry:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-SLnKZJIcFNE\/VXOgG5Y3OhI\/AAAAAAAAAGg\/TgjGVY5aBtY\/s1600\/3.PNG\" data-blogger-escaped-style=\"margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-SLnKZJIcFNE\/VXOgG5Y3OhI\/AAAAAAAAAGg\/TgjGVY5aBtY\/s640\/3.PNG\" width=\"640\" height=\"324\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"separator\" data-blogger-escaped-style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/-t-e-8OBwYJA\/VXOgMNaeXMI\/AAAAAAAAAGo\/N20siDq3Llo\/s1600\/5.PNG\" data-blogger-escaped-style=\"margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/-t-e-8OBwYJA\/VXOgMNaeXMI\/AAAAAAAAAGo\/N20siDq3Llo\/s640\/5.PNG\" width=\"640\" height=\"339\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"separator\" data-blogger-escaped-style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\">Way too much to have to add! \u00a0Way too time consuming!<\/p>\n<p>So I thought maybe I would just add 1 photo to Wiki and keep the lines simple by just adding my direct line (no collaterals &#8211; no sibs!). \u00a0Last evening I added my maternal grandparents, Ivan &#8220;John&#8221; and Mary Violet Kos Koss. \u00a0I compared sources from ancestry to familysearch and added the difference. \u00a0Then, I selected ONE photo for my mother, grandmother and grandfather and uploaded to Familysearch. \u00a0This is what the photos looked like:<\/p>\n<figure style=\"width: 158px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"http:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-21_nx6noo88\/VXgm3R3renI\/AAAAAAAAAI8\/7XRDrST-0bU\/s1600\/Mary%2BKos%2BKoss.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"cursor: move;\" src=\"https:\/\/3.bp.blogspot.com\/-21_nx6noo88\/VXgm3R3renI\/AAAAAAAAAI8\/7XRDrST-0bU\/s200\/Mary%2BKos%2BKoss.jpg\" width=\"158\" height=\"200\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Mary Violet Kos Koss<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<figure style=\"width: 159px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"http:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-IgaLPvKvoMg\/VXgmuTEC04I\/AAAAAAAAAI0\/eCSsZETjmYs\/s1600\/Dorothy%2BKoss%2BLeininger.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" style=\"cursor: move;\" src=\"https:\/\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/-IgaLPvKvoMg\/VXgmuTEC04I\/AAAAAAAAAI0\/eCSsZETjmYs\/s200\/Dorothy%2BKoss%2BLeininger.jpg\" width=\"159\" height=\"200\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Dorothy Koss Leininger<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<figure id=\"attachment_112\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-112\" style=\"width: 118px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-112 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.genealogyatheart.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/Ivan-John-Koss.jpg\" alt=\"ivan-john-koss\" width=\"118\" height=\"200\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-112\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ivan &#8220;John&#8221; Kos Koss<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with these 3 photos and I did agree that the site would first approve them before posting but its been a day and they&#8217;re still not displayed. \u00a0At this rate, it would take me YEARS before I had my tree on Familysearch and it wouldn&#8217;t even be my complete tree.<\/p>\n<p>I understand that the LDS Church has an agreement with Ancestry.com and to quote an old commercial, membership has its privileges, but there needs to be an expedient alternative for genealogists, such as uploading an existing tree to the Familysearch site.<\/p>\n<p>I vocalized this to a church Elder when I visited the Family History Library in March.\u00a0\u00a0He mentioned why uploading a gedcom wouldn\u2019t be conducive and why PAF was discontinued.\u00a0\u00a0I understand the evolution of technology and don\u2019t long for the Windows 3.1 days or dial up internet.<\/p>\n<p>I am also extremely thankful and do appreciate the dedication of thousands of LDS members who have preserved and published records over the years.\u00a0 To make all that work free to the general public is commendable and more than generous. \u00a0The LDS members, however, are not the only compilers of trees. \u00a0If non LDS members have a sourced tree I don&#8217;t understand why LDS wouldn&#8217;t want it. \u00a0I strongly believe that it would be in EVERYONE\u2019S best interest if nonmembers could easily synch their records onto the WIKI.\u00a0I would even pay to do this and I bet other genealogists would, too.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Originally published on genealogyatheart.blogspot.com on In previous blogs I\u2019ve mentioned my concerns about data loss and record inaccessibility (see Ancestry Site Changes \u2013 The Good, The Bad, The Ugly 6 Jun 2015 &amp; Poof Be Gone-How Quickly Records Can Disappear 3 Jun 2015). \u00a0A wonderful option to preserve your research would be to include it &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.genealogyatheart.com\/?p=111\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Familysearch.org Needed Changes&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[19],"tags":[79,84],"class_list":["post-111","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-online-tools","tag-kos","tag-koss"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.genealogyatheart.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/111","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.genealogyatheart.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.genealogyatheart.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.genealogyatheart.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.genealogyatheart.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=111"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.genealogyatheart.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/111\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":113,"href":"https:\/\/www.genealogyatheart.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/111\/revisions\/113"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.genealogyatheart.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=111"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.genealogyatheart.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=111"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.genealogyatheart.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=111"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}